-THE TREENET QUOTING PROCESS-
How Much Does A TreeNet Cost?
Long-term TreeNet installations start around a thousand dollars and range up to several thousand with growing size and complexity. Obviously, there are many variables when it comes to calculating the cost of a custom hand-woven rope platform. Below are some basic concepts to help break down the quoting process.
*If you are looking to purchase a finshed SpaceNet hammock, more information can be found under the Store Page.
The first thing we will need to know is the location of the possible installation site. Location is a big factor is calculating the overall costs. We are building teams across the nation to help with this factor. We do also attend festivals all over, so there is a possibility to meet up if we are in the area and the timing works out.
TYPE & SIZE OF THE TREES:
Depending on your location, there could be different types of trees native to that environment. Even if you’re not familiar with the names of the trees, it’s great to know how many we are working with and their overall size. TreeNets are optimal in strong mature trees, preferably with many branches or an easy way to climb into the tree, especially if you’re looking for something higher off the ground. A standard rule of thumb is aiming for trees that are thicker than your thigh, anything smaller will need to be used with caution. The local trees are something we will certainly need to discuss, as it will most likely be asked after the site location.
SIZE & DIMENSIONS:
Unlike standard hammocks, TreeNets require at least 3 anchor points. Since every project is unique, we go by square footage to estimate our materials and overall cost. This can be hard to do, but typically breaking the given area into a big square, rectangle, or triangle is the easiest way to do it.
HEIGHT & ACCESS INTO THE PLATFORM:
When it comes to accessing the TreeNet, we must first look at the types of trees we are using, as well as the height of the platform. Trees with many branches obviously create an easier way to access the net, but this is something we must take into consideration from the beginning. Entry portals typically are oriented towards the easiest access into the platform. Obviously the higher we go in the tree, the higher the cost will be as the job will require a ladder, slackline, or even harness system.
We can also install wooden steps or even paracord/climbing rope steps. A custom ladder may even be an option if travel isn't too far.
NUMBER OF PLATFORMS:
Depending on the size and scale of trees, there is sometimes a possibility to create multiple platforms. We can create multi-level hangouts with climbing walls, crows nests, bridges, and entry portals. Ultimately, if you do decide to get multiple platform levels, you will save money by constructing all at once.
BACKRESTS / RETAINING WALLS:
Almost all TreeNets made by TreeNet Willy’s have at least one side with a backrest / retaining wall in order to maximize space, comfort, and safety. It’s a great barrier for the kids and creates a unique, other-worldly feeling when lit up at night. These side walls can also get morphed into tunnels, entry portals, and smaller windows.
This really doesn't affect the overall cost, but is something to consider when planning a new backyard hangout. Usually we like to break it up into three preferences based on the clients preferences. We can make platforms that completely blend into the surrounding environment and can sometimes be extremely hard to see, especially if we make it higher off ground. Many of the 'guerrilla' style nets that we've made throughout the years and aimed at being almost invisible to the unknowing eye. If you are looking to go with a more colorful or playful theme, we then like to figure out if the night-time effects have any interest. Many of our projects are blacklight/ UV reactive and create a massive glowing human spider-web when illuminated at night. If the night time nets is something that doesn't tickle your fancy or you have another idea in mind, we have no problem pursuing that route. With so many colors and crazy patterns, this can sometimes be a bit overwhelming.... don't worry, we can help you with this process.
- FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS -
There's usually a lot....
How safe are TreeNets?
TreeNets are constructed out of incredibly strong materials that flow and coexist with the surrounding environment. These hand-woven webs are incredibly strong and are designed to hold a lot of weight, but the main concern with these platforms will be the surrounding trees used as anchors. As long as the trees are strong, the TreeNet should be able to perform properly. We do like to add backrests and retaining walls as well, keeping everyone inside, safe, and comfortable. For festivals, we will even add an additional barrier above the backrest, just to make sure there is no way anyone can fall out over the top.
TreeNet Willy's works very hard to make the most comfortable, accessible, and safest way to enjoy TreeNets and the outdoors. However, we must note that every individual must take into consideration their own level of comfort and ability in order to access and enjoy these installations. There is risk associated with any activity, especially when it's located off the ground.
Do TreeNets hurt the Tree?
As it turns out, trees that sway in the wind promote a stronger, well-anchored, and healthy trunk. By allowing the trees to bend and flex in stormy or windy weather, they don't snap or break. TreeNets can stretch and flow with the wind, letting the surrounding trees move around without too much constriction. It's a common misconception that big trees are stronger when they're tied down. This promotes a long a healthy life for the trees. which are the foundation for our created happiness.
TreeNet Willy's does our best to create our installations with zero to minimal damage to the surrounding environment. With that said, there are occasions that will require the removal of trees or branches in order to create space. However, we do our best to use blocks (small 12'' sections of tree branches) between the rope and the tree to prevent girdling. Treehouse companies will actually puncture holes all the way through the tree to install their anchors, as the main concern is avoiding strangulation of the tree. The outer layers of the tree allow water and nutrients to easily flow up and down throughout the tree, so ideally we want to preserve as much of that as possible by not choking it out.
How do we find a possible backyard TreeNet location?
TreeNets require at least three anchor points in order to provide a space to kick back and relax. Most installations are made between an array of several trees, however it is possible to make a platform between the split branches of larger trees. This clearly depends on the size and type of trees available.
*At this time we do not place poles or posts into the ground.
How long does it take to make a TreeNet?
Typically we like to get things done as quickly and competently as possible. Once we are all on the same page with the project, we like to begin right away. There have been projects in the past where we will begin construction the day after meeting. We have done TreeNets in the past as surprise birthday and Christmas gifts, building while the youngster or family is off doing other things. We realize that our clients have busy lives as well, and will do our best to accommodate your timing needs and be in and out and quickly as possible.
With that said, we like to rig up the perimeter rope and let it set a day before weaving. This process of setting up the perimeter lines and interior frame takes about 2-8 hours. After that, the laborious hours of weaving begin. In total, a smaller TreeNet takes around 2-6 days to complete, while larger projects around 20x20ft can take upwards of 6 days to 2 weeks. This all depends on number or workers, weather, travel, etc.
How much weight can my TreeNet hold?
To break it down, each paracord string holds 550 lbs with a perimeter and interior frame consisting of climbing rope, which holds thousands of pounds. When these cords and ropes are woven together and wrapped around the trees, in theory there should no concern with the maximum person weight limit within the net itself. The main thing to look at when considering the maximum TreeNet weight is the surrounding trees and/or branches the platform is attached to. It’s very important to build in a tree or set of trees stable enough to hold up to the stress over the years.
The largest TreeNet platform we've created thus far can hold around 35-40 people, set between 6 mature pine trees.
How long will my TreeNet last?
Obviously there are a lot of variables when attempting to calculate this question. Depending on use, TreeNet Willy’s platforms last an average of 8-10 years, but can be made to potentially last much longer. We do our best to use materials and methods that will withstand the years and we pride ourselves on the long-lasting platforms still being used today.
What happens if my TreeNet gets damaged?
First, we want to emphasize that our main goal is to keep you happy and that we will do whatever we can to make sure our quality of work goes above your expectations. We do have a liability form that must be signed with every project. This states that we are not responsible for free maintenance due to overall use, weathering, animals, or some unforeseen nature event. Please contact us directly at firstname.lastname@example.org to discuss the fix. If it's an overall perimeter frame problem, stop using the TreeNet immediately and together we will find a way to fix it. If it's a smaller issue, we may be able to give you basic instructions for a fix if we cannot make it to the location easily.
If the TreeNet is over 10 years old and looking like it needs a repair, I'd say its time for totally new platform.
How many TreeNets have we made?
Since being introduced to TreeNets in 2008, TreeNet Willy himself has produced well over a hundred permanent installations all over the nation. With hundreds of thousands of weaving hours and over a decade of experience, these nets have been refined again and again for the best quality. Quite frankly, we are always learning new ways and methods to create these platforms in the most sturdy, sustainable, and aesthetic way possible.
Does TreeNet Willy's only do tree installations?
Nope, Not at all!
We can also use solid pre-existing infrastructure such as porches or buildings. We can do platforms that are constructed between porch frames and trees. Even if you have an open loft or inside space that needs filled, we can build you a custom hangout. We also sell trampoline framed hammocks that do not require trees or preexisting anchors. These are ideal for people with no trees or ones that are always on the move, as these will break down into small pieces for transport. So... when you are looking around for a possible net spot, don’t be afraid to get creative!
- Want to create a SpaceNet of your own? -
Here are a few things that may help...
The perimeter line can be the most difficult material to acquire as it is commonly the most expensive part of the project. For us, we prefer to use static rope when we can, but we've seen others make them with dynamic rope, tubular webbing, and even construction spansets. We like to use static rope in that it has minimal stretch, weighs fairly light, and is extremely strong. However, static line isn't the easiest to find around and can cost nearly a dollar a foot for a new rope. Dynamic rope is the most common to find, but some can have up to a 30% stretch, which isn't optimal when trying to make a tensioned project. If you do end up with dynamic rope, you'll want to get as much stretch out of there as possible. You do not want your SpaceNet to become loose over time from use.
First, attach ratchets to the ends of the rope and continue to tighten them over a couple days. The ropes will gradually stretch out, so make sure to take your time. Once the rope has been stretched out over a couple days and you're ready to begin setting up the perimeter, soak the rope in a bucket of water for at least 30 min. This will clean the rope of dirt and dust while allowing the rope to stretch even further when wet. By setting up the perimeter when the line is wet, the rope will tension back up when it dries, making it even tighter.
Here are a couple ways to acquire some rope for cheap or free:
Climbing Gyms: This is the easiest and quickest way to to get free rope. Many gyms retire their ropes based on a schedule usually every 3-6 months. We like to go check in on local gyms every 6 months or so, as they sometimes recieve donations of old retired rope as well. Keep in mind that many of these places primarily have dynamic line, so you'll need to stretch them out the best you can. It's also very important to remember that most of these gyms cannot give rope away for load-bearing projects merely for liability reasons, so when they ask you what you're using the rope for... you're making rugs.
Craigslist: Depending on where your location, craigslist can be a great way to snag some cheap or free rope. There are all sorts of people with rope laying around and we get a decent amount of rope material just from these craigslist ads alone. You can also ask family, friends, and neighbors for leftover rope, you may find exactly what you're looking for.
*Obviously you want to be sure to double check these ropes and make sure the integrity is there. Here's a great site to help with the inspection process.
550 parachute cord is what we use to weave the inside of the SpaceNet in that it is UV, rot, and mold resistant. 550 refers to the strength of the cord, meaning that it holds 550 lbs. These cords come in thousands of colors and there are tons of stores to choose from, which can be a little overwhelming at first. In our experience, there are many paracord companies out there that actually share the same warehouse, so much of the product is exactly the same between companies, they just have different names and prices. Be sure to do some price checks on a few different sites to see what is the cheapest at the time. SpaceNet triangles with 15ft sides require around 600-900ft of paracord depending on style and weave, so we recommend buying a full 1000ft spool. You never know if you may want to add more cord or use it for another project, paracord is great for many uses.
TreeNet Willy's is in fact sponsored by Paracord Planet, so check them out first. You can also receive 10% off your order when you enter coupon TREENETWILLY.
Here's another great site that goes over everything you'll need to know about parachute cord.
Anchors / Setting up
If your personal SpaceNet is designed to hold 3 or less people, we recommend using the basic 1.5'' Husky Ratchet Tie-Downs. You can find them here at HomeDepot.com. Typically the 16ft strap lengths are the shortest we like to use, but typically that length works just fine for most set-ups. One can always add to the ratchet length with rope or a tripled-up paracord piece.
If your personal SpaceNet is designed to hold 4 or more people, we would recommend look into ordering custom ratchets that hold well over the total person weight. It's always better to be safe than sorry, so don't skimp out to get something higher-end. There are multiple custom ratchet sites to check out, so be certain look through a few of them. We also like to look for something potentially with loop ends opposed to the S or J hooks. You can find our preferred custom ratchets with +3,000lb working load HERE. There are many other ratchet options on this site, so feel free to browse around to find a ratchet style of your liking. Once again, make sure that your working weight load limit is way above the weight load of people in your SpaceNet. If you are not familiar with ratchets and how to use them, definitely check out some how-to videos and the information link HERE before you get started.
Keep in mind that you can always add more anchor lines / ratchets to the exterior perimeter of your SpaceNet. You can add anchor lines anywhere on the exterior line, not just the corners, to add tension and strength.
BE SURE THE TREES OR ANCHOR POINTS YOU ARE USING ARE SUFFICIENT!
There are all sorts of accessories you can add to these SpaceNet to make them unique to your style. We've seen others use beads, wire wraps, and even feathers that hang down from the platform. Feel free to get creative and experiment with your own accessories if you want.
One of my signature techniques is adding metal O-rings into the weave. These are great for making center points for your net, or can be placed anywhere you want with the basic chaos weave. You can find these O-rings online here at Strapworks.com and come in all sorts of sizes and colors. We usually go no smaller than the 1.5'' diameter rings.
- Putting it All Together -
First, you'll want to set up your perimeter line by measuring out the desired side lengths and adding knots on the end on each side. A 3-sided net will have 4 knots. We like to use alpine butterfly knots or simple overhands to create the corner loops for anchoring. Once you get the perimeter line prepped, find the proper tree/anchor set up for your SpaceNet. If you are making a triangle, which is the most common, look for three points in an equilateral triangle shape. Don't forget you can add multiple anchor lines to the end points, adjusting for the proper angle. Another technique that works well is making a 'floating anchor' by placing a rope or ratchet in between two trees, then using that line as an anchor. This allows you to move the ratchet end side to side to the preferred position. Keep in mind this style is meant for casual hammocking, not for cross-canyon suspension.
Centering the SpaceNet
Here's a tip for centering your perimeter equally within the trees. If you stand facing perpendicular to the center of a perimeter side and look out to the opposite corner, the ratchet coming from that corner should be in a straight line with your line of sight. If the ratchet is off the the left or right, you may need to change the where the net is placed within the trees or add additional anchor lines in a different angle to line it up. If the anchor lines are in the center on all three sides, then your net is pretty centered. Setting up the perimeter can be the most difficult part of the whole process and will take some finagling to get it dialed in. Not all trees are in the perfect spot for rigging, so sometimes you must get a little creative with the anchor set-up.
Here's a hammock instructional video that is very similar to setting up a SpaceNet. This video also goes over centering the anchor points as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGzKBgMiuCM
Once the Perimeter is up and ready to go, the weaving begins. The Chaos Weave is the easiest to start with and is a great way to practice the wrapping and knot process. We like to use clove hitches on the perimeter lines and only use knots on the inner weave if necessary. This makes for a cleaner final product in our opinion, and makes the ends of the paracord easy to cut and burn. The great thing about chaos is that it allows you to go free, focussing on the big holes and making them smaller until the entire grid is how you like it. You can see in the photo on the right how there is no pattern, we're just wrapping every string that we cross over. Start in the center and gradually work your way to the corners, as the sides will slightly come inward from the center tension. Many people over think this... you just gotta go for it. You'll pick up way more with a little trial and error than standing there thinking about it.
Good Luck & Happy Weaving!
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